In E129 of #thePOZcast, I speak with Michael and George about the strengths of military professionals, the civilian workforce, and how the perspective of a military leader can help improve the field of talent access. The guys and I break down the transition from life at war to civilian life and work, and how purpose has changed over time. What’s most palpable is how dedicated Michael and George remain to defending our country, and how ready they are to do so again at the drop of a dime. The Talent War Co-Authors: Michael Sarraille had a 20-year career in Marine Recon and the Navy SEALs, including 10 combat deployments and currently Founder and CEO EF Overwatch. George Randle, 20 years in the US Army and now Head of Global Talent Acquisition at Forcepoint In civilian life, they’re most dedicated to winning and driving those that they consult and train to win as well. They have a partnership that’s unlike many others given their prior experience, and through their company EF Overwatch, they’re looking out for top-level military leaders just like themselves. EF Overwatch helps these individuals who are highly qualified transition into critical leadership positions, ushering in a new level of reality and outside perspective to the civilian workforce. Overall, we get into a preview of some of the principles covered in their new book “The Talent War: How Special Operations and Great Organizations Win on Talent” where they’ve boiled down the approach that’s brought them success in both military and civilian organizations. With this book they’ve managed to bring these lessons to anyone interested in building a more effective organization, and they encourage those who read it to have the straightforward conversations with their team that it’s driving philosophy demands. I appreciate having had both of these guys on, a great example of tenacity at work at all times! Thank you for your service Michael and George! If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a review/rating: https://ratethispodcast.com/thepozcast The POZCast is brought to you by our friends at Interseller - the prospecting + outreach platform of recruiters and sellers. Whether you’re doubling down on business development or recruiting talent, Interseller does all the heavy lifting of finding contact data, automating the email and follow-up process, and syncs all that rich data into 20+ CRMs and ATSs. Reach out and get going in a 2-week *free* trial today and let them know you heard about them from Adam on the POZCast. Check out a free demo today! https://bit.ly/2Fbm/BZ
3:01 - George's Entry in Talent Acquisition
4:53 - Michaels' Introduction
6:37 - Challenges for George in Veterans Transition
7:43 - Training of Veterans
8:43 - Challenges for Vets in an Interview
11:52 - How does the word 'Purpose' translate into this world
14:32 - Industry Experience and Skills
16:10 - VUCA
17:48 - Effective Intelligence
18:56 - Under-Rated Attributes
20:41 - Culture Fit = Likability
24:45 - The Book 'Talent Wars'
26:07 - Flaws in Civilian Mindset
28:04 - Professors who teach Leadership
30:19 - Putting People First
32:38 - Go-to Interview Questions
34:35 - Interviewers' Failing Point
36:25 - Shutdown
37:46 - Mike's personal words to reflect
38:40 - Takeaway from the book
39:24 - The word ' Authentic'
40:08 - Greatest piece of advice
43:00 - Mike and George's North Star